This blog is for Mr. Clodfelter's AP Language and Composition course, 2nd block at Thomasville High School. Students will be required to post AT LEAST one response to each weekly posting. Also, students will be required to respond to AT LEAST 2 student-generated responses per week. Those responses will be graded by the instructor.
Tuesday, August 12, 2008
Blog Entry #1--Plato vs. Aristotle
Blog Entry #1—How do Plato and Aristotle disagree about rhetoric? What might be a modern-day example of the kind of rhetoric Aristotle describes in his work? What might be a modern-day example of Plato's rhetoric?
Plato and Aristotle agree in many ways; however, from what I've understood of rhetoric, they disagree in how rhetoric is used.
Plato wrote to influence his young students who he was mentoring. An example of this would be a teacher, say Mr. Clodfelter, speaking us in a school environment.
Aristotle, on the other hand, wrote to influence politics. Where political rhetoric is used to persuade. So imagine Barack Obama using this type of rhetoric to persuade us to vote for him on November 2nd, 2008.
They both used rhetoric for different reasons. Plato used it for education, while Aristotle used it for political persuasion.
Plato and Aristotle both had thought through explanations of rhetoric. However, where they seem to disagree is the purpose of rhetoric.
In Plato's writing he seemed to use rhetoric in order to educate people around him. An example of this in modern day would be if i had a mentor. I would go to this person for guidence, and they would use their knowledge of rhetoric to educate me.
Aristotle seemed to write more about rhetoric being a tool of persuasion. An example of this would be in court. Lawyers may use this form of rhetoric to convince a judge or group of jury members to see their point of veiw.
Plato and Aristotle agreed in many ways about rhetoric. They just disagreed in how it was used. Aristotle used rhetoric in politics. Plato used rhetoric to teach his students.
One example of Aristotles use of rhetoric is the Presidential election going on today. John McCain and Barack Obama use rhetoric to persuade us to vote for them. An example of Plato is like Mr. Covington using rhtoric in school.
Both Plato and Aristotle share many common elements in their views of rhetoric. But they both have disagreements in their views.
Plato used rhetoric as a way to educate his students and spread his beliefs of rhetoric. He believed that knowledge should be spread to inform the masses and preserve that knowledge. A modern day example of Plato's rhetoric would be the teaching system, a teacher informs their students and preserves the knowledge.
Aristotle used rhetoric as a way to explain the politics and how to persuade an audience. He explained how to create a persuasive speech and the many ideas that were involved in politics. A modern day example of Aristotle's rhetoric would be a president persuading the people to vote for them instead of their opponents.
Plato and Aristotle's view on Rhetoric are similar but completely different at the same time.
To start off with, Plato saw that Rhetoric was a teaching method. While Aristotle on the other hand, saw it as a good piece for persuasion.
But if you think out of the box, Aristotle also used it for demonstration which is a very important technique for teaching, so that was a similar factor.
In fact, persuasion in the political system is teaching others a different side of a story to get them to agree with your side, hence the word "persuasion."
So all in all there similarities of Rhetoric were definetely stronger than there differences.
Actually, if you think about it they both taught rhetoric, just in different ways, and to two different types of audiences.
Aristotle believed that rhetoric should be used for persuasion. However, he believed that when using rhetoric, one should only use logic to influence an opinion. It is unusual for this form of rhetoric to be used today. Those who seek to influence today, do so on an emotional level. Aristotle deemed this as wrong.
Plato saw rhetoric as a way to attain knowledge, as used in a classroom setting. Plato strongly believed that knowledge was meant to be shared.
Aristotle and Plato agree in many ways on rhetoric but they also disagree on how rhetoric is used. Aristotle wrote rhetoric to be used as the art of persuassion. On the other hand, Plato wrote rhetoric to be used as a form of learning knowledge.
Aristotle uses rhetoric as a form of persuasion. An example of this would be in this years presidential election. This is persuasion because John McCain and Barack Obama use rhetoric to persuade us to vote for them.
Meanwhile, Plato used rhetoric to inform and educate his scholars. An example of this would be a student having a tutor or mentor for guidence and further education.
While they agree on many aspects of rhetoric, they disagree on how rhetoric is used in the world around us. Plato used rhetoric to educate people, whereas Aristotle used it to persuade those around him.
A modern example of how Plato describes rhetoric would be like a mentor or a youth pastor. Plato used this to try and educate the people around him.
A modern example of how Aristotle describes rhetoric would be when those running for any office try to get us to vote for them.
Plato and Aristotle's view of rhetoric are very different. Plato used it as a form of teaching to his pupils. Aristotle used his idea of rhetoric as a way to persuade in politics.
An example of Plato in todays world is a teacher, such as Mrs. Cloniger using rhetoric in math. An example of Aristotles idea of rhetoric in the modern world is in the presidential elections. John McCain and Barack Obama use rhetoric to persuade voters to vote for them.
Plato and Aristole both had their on unique ways of using Rherotic. Even though they had their differences they also had their similarties. For example, Plato used the method of Rherotic to show that we should educate our audiences. In The allegory of the cave, Plato used Rherotic to teach the people on the reality he witnessed outside of the cave. On the other hand, Aristole used Rhetoric to persuade his audience like a president would on his elections campaigns. The similarities they both shared were that in a way they both tried to teach their audiences of some form. They also shared their differences for example, Plato I believed used his style of Rherotic in a more passive like way. Unlike Aristole seemed to use his style of Rherotic in an aggressive way to persuade his audience.
Aristotle and Plato had similar ideas but they were incredibly different. Both practiced rhetoric but used it for completely differet reasons.
Plato believed rhetoric was to be used to educate. Teachers and mentors would be great examples of modern-day people using rhetoric. They talk and use their great words to inform the young and the ignorant.
Aristotle believed that rhetoric should be used to persaude others.Politicians and lawyers are modern-day examples of Aristotle's use of rhetoric.They're whole job is to persuade others into believing what they want them to believe.
Both Plato and Aristotle have great ideas on rhetoric. However, they two totally different ideas about it.
Plato used rhetoric to educate his students and preserve his knowledge. He wanted to keep his ideals widespread. A modern example would be how our teacher system works today.
Aristotle used rhetoric to advance in his society instead of using it to educate others. A modern day example would be how politicians attempt to persuade the voters to elect them in power, but does not have an understudy to replace them, as in a governor.
Aristotle and Plato share the common bond of being ancient philosophers and teachers. However, their methods of explaining rhetoric and the purpose for which they say it is used differ.
Plato is a more classical; he explains rhetoric the way he would teach it to his students. He believes that the purpose of rhetoric is to share information and reality with the masses. A modern example of this would be a professor lecturing his pupils, focused on informing and evoking thought rather then emotion.
Aristotle on the other hand takes a more modern (for his time of course), yet political approach. He says that the purpose of rhetoric is to persuade, and he stresses the importance of evoking feelings in the audience. A modern example of this type of rhetoric would be Barrack Obama's nomination accepting speech at the DNC. He used his heritage, past experiences, growing up with a single parent, his daughters’ futures and vilifying John McCain to evoke emotion and persuade voters.
Aristole and Plato both had their different understandings on the word rhetoric, but they also had some similarities despite their differences.
Aristotle's rhetoric has a major affect on the art of rhetoric or as a tool of persuasion towards people. An example of this in modern day would be like a president persuading the people to vote for them or like an ad in the newspaper asking someone to buy whatever it is they are selling.
Where as Plato's rhetoric seemed to influence the people around him. An example of this in modern day would be like people being around bad influential people smoking, them being around it would make the other people wanna do it more.
Rhetoric is the practice of oratory. When exposed to different writers and text, rhetoric can be extremely complex. In Plato's Allegory of the Cave, rhetoric is knowledge. Socrates states, "And when he remembered his old habitation, and the wisdom of the cave and his fellow prisoners, do you not suppose that he would felicitate himself on change, and pity them?” In this statement Plato uses to rhetoric to explain the importance of having knowledge and knowing how to use it. This piece contains two worlds, forms and ideals. The form is thier shadow and what they believed to be reality where as ideals is the actual truth. After he left the cave, he realized what was in the outside world and the truth of everything he thought to be reality. The people who have knowledge must be the leaders of the uninformed, not the comtroller! The man's obligation after he left the cave was to share is knowledge which is how Plato uses The Allegory to prove we should teach people.
Aristotle, on the other hand, uses rhetoric as a use of persuasion. He connects rhetoric to politians and thier use of words to explain their opinions. In Aristotle's Rhetoric, he states that 3 means of effecting persuasion are to reason logically, to understand human character, and to understand the emotion. Aristotle also states, "A statement is persuasive and credible either because it is directly self-evident or because it appears to be proved from other statements that are so." A modern day example of Aristotle's Rhetoric is a politian running for President or Senator and they give speeches to try to get people to see their way of thinking. Plato's rhetoric would be a modern day example of a mentor encouraging you to use your knowledge and share it with other people.
Plato and Aristotle are great rhetoricians. They both believed that rhetoric should be taught rightfully.
Plato's "The Allegory of the Cave" explains that rhetoric can be used to educate others, not only for persuasion. It is our responsiblity to educate others and keep them inform. Any teacher/professor/educator could use rhetoric to educate students.
"Aristotle's Rhetoric" explains that anybody can learn rhetorics. It could take longer than others. Rhetorics can also defend the weak, like laywers who defend people.
Plato and Aristotle agreed on a lot of things. However they did disagree on how they used rhetoric.
Plato used rhetoric to influence youth students who he was mentoring.A example is a teacher giving her students a lecture.
Aristotle wrote to influence politics. A modern-day example is Hilary Clinton’s speech was used to persuade voters to vote for Obama. She gave pointers about his ability.
Plato used rhetoric for the education of the students. And Aristolte used it for political persuasion.
Plato and Aristotle both wrote about the purpose of rhetoric and the different ways it can be used. However, they disagreed about these subjects because they had different ideas of the purpose of rhetoric. For example, Plato used rhetoric to educate others. He felt it was necessary to help people who were uneducated learn about the world around them. A modern example of Plato’s use of rhetoric can be found in education systems in the United States. The purpose of a school is to educate students in order to prepare them for experiences they will come across. Likewise, Plato’s goal was to inform others about life so they would be prepared for their future. On the other hand, however, Aristotle’s purpose of rhetoric is persuasion. This type of rhetoric is shown in American politics. A candidate running for an office uses this Aristotle’s form of rhetoric when trying to win votes, in order to win an election.
Although Plato and Aristotle's views on rhetoric are the same in some ways, their views on its use differ in various ways. Plato believed that rhetoric should be used to lead and teach. If one person held knowledge above others, Plato felt that he or she had a duty to spread it. Plato’s method was used to promote equality through education. The Allegory of the Cave is meant to enlighten mankind on the power of realization. In today’s world, this kind of rhetoric may be used in classrooms or science labs. Aristotle believed that rhetoric should be used to persuade using logic.
Plato and Aristotle are both great Rhetoricians. However, both use them in different ways.
Aristotle used rhetoric for persuasion. In "Aristotle’s Rhetoric" he explains the various types of ways you can persuaded people. He also explains the 3 ways for effect persuasion.
Plato used rhetoric in another form. He used it has to teach a lesson. In "The Allegory of the Cave" he used a story to teach about realization.
Therefore, Aristotle and Plato used rhetoric in two different forms. However, both were fascinating speeches.
In History, Plato and Aristotle both had their definition of “rhetoric.” However, each of their explanations of “rhetoric” had two different meanings. In Plato’s “The Allegory of The Cave,” he used the term of rhetoric to educate people. However, Aristotle’s rhetoric seemed more of being a tool to persusation. An example of Plato’s rhetoric would be like being a Leader of a Team. Once someone is a leader, no matter how big or small they think their task is, they still have someone who follows in their footsteps. An example of Aristotle’s Rhetoric would be like someone trying out a drug, or smoking just because their friends doing it. By means, Aristotle also had a good way of convincing people to do good or bad.
After readng Plato's Allegory of the Cave and Aristotle's rhetoric, I see that although they may agree on some level, they both disagree in the way rhetoric is used.
Plato believes that rhetoric is a way to educate others and is a way to spread knowledge. He feels that it is our respnsibility to always lead and inform others and educate those who don't know better so the truth can be spread out to everyone. An example would be what we learn in school to help prepare us for the future and life ahead of us.
Aristotle sees rhetoric as a form of persuauion. He sees that the power of speech can easily change someone's mind. In his rhetoric, he states, "Of the modes of persuasion furnished by the spoken word there are three kinds. The first kind depends on the personal character of the speaker; the second on putting the audience into a certain frame of mind; the third on the proof." He argues taht persuasion is achieved by the speaker's personal character and his ability to convince others to believe in him. An example of this would be a debate or something among those lines.
Plato and Aristotle disagree about rhetoric in the way they applied it. In Aristotle’s “Rhetoric” he speaks of using rhetoric in a political, forensic, and ceremonial way. However, in Plato’s “The Allegory of the Cave” rhetoric was used as a way to share your knowledge with others.
Aristotle used rhetoric as a means of persuasion. In “Rhetoric” he speaks of using rhetoric in the courtroom, with judges and lawyers, and in politics. He also talks about using rhetoric in three different ways. The part I understood the most was when he spoke about politics. He explained how to use persuasive speech to get people on your side. He says, “In a political debate the man who is forming a judgment is making a decision about his own vital interests. There is no need, therefore, to prove anything except that the facts are what the supporter of a measure maintains they are.” Today you would definitely see this kind of rhetoric in court or in the presidential elections.
In contrast, in “The Allegory of the Cave” rhetoric is used to spread wisdom or knowledge. Socrates states, “And when he remembered his old habitation, and the wisdom of the cave and his fellow prisoners, do you not suppose that he would felicitate himself on change, and pity them?” In that statement Plato uses rhetoric to tell us that sharing knowledge with others is vital. A way you can see that today is in a school or church environment. For example, teachers, ministers, older generations and the wise have the responsibility to pass on what they have learned to others.
24 comments:
Plato and Aristotle agree in many ways; however, from what I've understood of rhetoric, they disagree in how rhetoric is used.
Plato wrote to influence his young students who he was mentoring. An example of this would be a teacher, say Mr. Clodfelter, speaking us in a school environment.
Aristotle, on the other hand, wrote to influence politics. Where political rhetoric is used to persuade. So imagine Barack Obama using this type of rhetoric to persuade us to vote for him on November 2nd, 2008.
They both used rhetoric for different reasons. Plato used it for education, while Aristotle used it for political persuasion.
-Jacob P. Fleming
Plato and Aristotle both had thought through explanations of rhetoric. However, where they seem to disagree is the purpose of rhetoric.
In Plato's writing he seemed to use rhetoric in order to educate people around him. An example of this in modern day would be if i had a mentor. I would go to this person for guidence, and they would use their knowledge of rhetoric to educate me.
Aristotle seemed to write more about rhetoric being a tool of persuasion. An example of this would be in court. Lawyers may use this form of rhetoric to convince a judge or group of jury members to see their point of veiw.
-A. Burchel-
Plato and Aristotle agreed in many ways about rhetoric. They just disagreed in how it was used. Aristotle used rhetoric in politics. Plato used rhetoric to teach his students.
One example of Aristotles use of rhetoric is the Presidential election going on today. John McCain and Barack Obama use rhetoric to persuade us to vote for them. An example of Plato is like Mr. Covington using rhtoric in school.
-S. Everhart-
Plato and Aristotle show similar thoughts on the subject of rhetoric. However, they have differences too.
Plato uses rhetoric in an educational way.Unlike Aristotle who uses rhetoric in polotics.
Plato's educational rhetoric would be compared to Mr.Covington teaching us about language in speeches.
An example of Aristotle's political rhetoric would be people running for president and persuading citizens to vote for them.
† Joseph Baranowski †
Both Plato and Aristotle share many common elements in their views of rhetoric. But they both have disagreements in their views.
Plato used rhetoric as a way to educate his students and spread his beliefs of rhetoric. He believed that knowledge should be spread to inform the masses and preserve that knowledge. A modern day example of Plato's rhetoric would be the teaching system, a teacher informs their students and preserves the knowledge.
Aristotle used rhetoric as a way to explain the politics and how to persuade an audience. He explained how to create a persuasive speech and the many ideas that were involved in politics. A modern day example of Aristotle's rhetoric would be a president persuading the people to vote for them instead of their opponents.
~Robert Gray
Plato and Aristotle's view on Rhetoric are similar but completely different at the same time.
To start off with, Plato saw that Rhetoric was a teaching method. While Aristotle on the other hand, saw it as a good piece for persuasion.
But if you think out of the box, Aristotle also used it for demonstration which is a very important technique for teaching, so that was a similar factor.
In fact, persuasion in the political system is teaching others a different side of a story to get them to agree with your side, hence the word "persuasion."
So all in all there similarities of Rhetoric were definetely stronger than there differences.
Actually, if you think about it they both taught rhetoric, just in different ways, and to two different types of audiences.
-Erin Graves
Aristotle believed that rhetoric should be used for persuasion. However, he believed that when using rhetoric, one should only use logic to influence an opinion. It is unusual for this form of rhetoric to be used today. Those who seek to influence today, do so on an emotional level. Aristotle deemed this as wrong.
Plato saw rhetoric as a way to attain knowledge, as used in a classroom setting. Plato strongly believed that knowledge was meant to be shared.
S Morris
Aristotle and Plato agree in many ways on rhetoric but they also disagree on how rhetoric is used. Aristotle wrote rhetoric to be used as the art of persuassion. On the other hand, Plato wrote rhetoric to be used as a form of learning knowledge.
Aristotle uses rhetoric as a form of persuasion. An example of this would be in this years presidential election. This is persuasion because John McCain and Barack Obama use rhetoric to persuade us to vote for them.
Meanwhile, Plato used rhetoric to inform and educate his scholars. An example of this would be a student having a tutor or mentor for guidence and further education.
V. Gobble
While they agree on many aspects of rhetoric, they disagree on how rhetoric is used in the world around us. Plato used rhetoric to educate people, whereas Aristotle used it to persuade those around him.
A modern example of how Plato describes rhetoric would be like a mentor or a youth pastor. Plato used this to try and educate the people around him.
A modern example of how Aristotle describes rhetoric would be when those running for any office try to get us to vote for them.
-W. Horne-
Plato and Aristotle's view of rhetoric are very different. Plato used it as a form of teaching to his pupils. Aristotle used his idea of rhetoric as a way to persuade in politics.
An example of Plato in todays world is a teacher, such as Mrs. Cloniger using rhetoric in math. An example of Aristotles idea of rhetoric in the modern world is in the presidential elections. John McCain and Barack Obama use rhetoric to persuade voters to vote for them.
-R.Woods-
Plato and Aristole both had their on unique ways of using Rherotic. Even though they had their differences they also had their similarties. For example, Plato used the method of Rherotic to show that we should educate our audiences. In The allegory of the cave, Plato used Rherotic to teach the people on the reality he witnessed outside of the cave. On the other hand, Aristole used Rhetoric to persuade his audience like a president would on his elections campaigns. The similarities they both shared were that in a way they both tried to teach their audiences of some form. They also shared their differences for example, Plato I believed used his style of Rherotic in a more passive like way. Unlike Aristole seemed to use his style of Rherotic in an aggressive way to persuade his audience.
T.Hearst
Aristotle and Plato had similar ideas but they were incredibly different. Both practiced rhetoric but used it for completely differet reasons.
Plato believed rhetoric was to be used to educate. Teachers and mentors would be great examples of modern-day people using rhetoric. They talk and use their great words to inform the young and the ignorant.
Aristotle believed that rhetoric should be used to persaude others.Politicians and lawyers are modern-day examples of Aristotle's use of rhetoric.They're whole job is to persuade others into believing what they want them to believe.
{!*♥S.Thomas♥*!}
Both Plato and Aristotle have great ideas on rhetoric. However, they two totally different ideas about it.
Plato used rhetoric to educate his students and preserve his knowledge. He wanted to keep his ideals widespread. A modern example would be how our teacher system works today.
Aristotle used rhetoric to advance in his society instead of using it to educate others. A modern day example would be how politicians attempt to persuade the voters to elect them in power, but does not have an understudy to replace them, as in a governor.
Malcom Ivery
Aristotle and Plato share the common bond of being ancient philosophers and teachers. However, their methods of explaining rhetoric and the purpose for which they say it is used differ.
Plato is a more classical; he explains rhetoric the way he would teach it to his students. He believes that the purpose of rhetoric is to share information and reality with the masses. A modern example of this would be a professor lecturing his pupils, focused on informing and evoking thought rather then emotion.
Aristotle on the other hand takes a more modern (for his time of course), yet political approach. He says that the purpose of rhetoric is to persuade, and he stresses the importance of evoking feelings in the audience. A modern example of this type of rhetoric would be Barrack Obama's nomination accepting speech at the DNC. He used his heritage, past experiences, growing up with a single parent, his daughters’ futures and vilifying John McCain to evoke emotion and persuade voters.
Emerson Virginia Jones
Aristole and Plato both had their different understandings on the word rhetoric, but they also had some similarities despite their differences.
Aristotle's rhetoric has a major affect on the art of rhetoric or as a tool of persuasion towards people. An example of this in modern day would be like a president persuading the people to vote for them or like an ad in the newspaper asking someone to buy whatever it is they are selling.
Where as Plato's rhetoric seemed to influence the people around him. An example of this in modern day would be like people being around bad influential people smoking, them being around it would make the other people wanna do it more.
--D.Fivecoat
Rhetoric is the practice of oratory. When exposed to different writers and text, rhetoric can be extremely complex. In Plato's Allegory of the Cave, rhetoric is knowledge. Socrates states, "And when he remembered his old habitation, and the wisdom of the cave and his fellow prisoners, do you not suppose that he would felicitate himself on change, and pity them?” In this statement Plato uses to rhetoric to explain the importance of having knowledge and knowing how to use it. This piece contains two worlds, forms and ideals. The form is thier shadow and what they believed to be reality where as ideals is the actual truth. After he left the cave, he realized what was in the outside world and the truth of everything he thought to be reality. The people who have knowledge must be the leaders of the uninformed, not the comtroller! The man's obligation after he left the cave was to share is knowledge which is how Plato uses The Allegory to prove we should teach people.
Aristotle, on the other hand, uses rhetoric as a use of persuasion. He connects rhetoric to politians and thier use of words to explain their opinions. In Aristotle's Rhetoric, he states that 3 means of effecting persuasion are to reason logically, to understand human character, and to understand the emotion. Aristotle also states, "A statement is persuasive and credible either because it is directly self-evident or because it appears to be proved from other statements that are so." A modern day example of Aristotle's Rhetoric is a politian running for President or Senator and they give speeches to try to get people to see their way of thinking. Plato's rhetoric would be a modern day example of a mentor encouraging you to use your knowledge and share it with other people.
-S.Hall
Plato and Aristotle are great rhetoricians. They both believed that rhetoric should be taught rightfully.
Plato's "The Allegory of the Cave" explains that rhetoric can be used to educate others, not only for persuasion. It is our responsiblity to educate others and keep them inform. Any teacher/professor/educator could use rhetoric to educate students.
"Aristotle's Rhetoric" explains that anybody can learn rhetorics. It could take longer than others. Rhetorics can also defend the weak, like laywers who defend people.
T.Xiong
Plato and Aristotle agreed on a lot of things. However they did disagree on how they used rhetoric.
Plato used rhetoric to influence youth students who he was mentoring.A example is a teacher giving her students a lecture.
Aristotle wrote to influence politics. A modern-day example is Hilary Clinton’s speech was used to persuade voters to vote for Obama. She gave pointers about his ability.
Plato used rhetoric for the education of the students. And Aristolte used it for political persuasion.
A. Davenport
Plato and Aristotle both wrote about the purpose of rhetoric and the different ways it can be used. However, they disagreed about these subjects because they had different ideas of the purpose of rhetoric.
For example, Plato used rhetoric to educate others. He felt it was necessary to help people who were uneducated learn about the world around them. A modern example of Plato’s use of rhetoric can be found in education systems in the United States. The purpose of a school is to educate students in order to prepare them for experiences they will come across. Likewise, Plato’s goal was to inform others about life so they would be prepared for their future.
On the other hand, however, Aristotle’s purpose of rhetoric is persuasion. This type of rhetoric is shown in American politics. A candidate running for an office uses this Aristotle’s form of rhetoric when trying to win votes, in order to win an election.
-Emily Styers :)
Although Plato and Aristotle's views on rhetoric are the same in some ways, their views on its use differ in various ways.
Plato believed that rhetoric should be used to lead and teach. If one person held knowledge above others, Plato felt that he or she had a duty to spread it. Plato’s method was used to promote equality through education. The Allegory of the Cave is meant to enlighten mankind on the power of realization. In today’s world, this kind of rhetoric may be used in classrooms or science labs.
Aristotle believed that rhetoric should be used to persuade using logic.
c.sutherland
Plato and Aristotle are both great Rhetoricians. However, both use them in different ways.
Aristotle used rhetoric for persuasion. In "Aristotle’s Rhetoric" he explains the various types of ways you can persuaded people. He also explains the 3 ways for effect persuasion.
Plato used rhetoric in another form. He used it has to teach a lesson. In "The Allegory of the Cave" he used a story to teach about realization.
Therefore, Aristotle and Plato used rhetoric in two different forms. However, both were fascinating speeches.
-C. Flores
In History, Plato and Aristotle both had their definition of “rhetoric.” However, each of their explanations of “rhetoric” had two different meanings. In Plato’s “The Allegory of The Cave,” he used the term of rhetoric to educate people. However, Aristotle’s rhetoric seemed more of being a tool to persusation.
An example of Plato’s rhetoric would be like being a Leader of a Team. Once someone is a leader, no matter how big or small they think their task is, they still have someone who follows in their footsteps.
An example of Aristotle’s Rhetoric would be like someone trying out a drug, or smoking just because their friends doing it. By means, Aristotle also had a good way of convincing people to do good or bad.
Ashley Bayse <3
After readng Plato's Allegory of the Cave and Aristotle's rhetoric, I see that although they may agree on some level, they both disagree in the way rhetoric is used.
Plato believes that rhetoric is a way to educate others and is a way to spread knowledge. He feels that it is our respnsibility to always lead and inform others and educate those who don't know better so the truth can be spread out to everyone. An example would be what we learn in school to help prepare us for the future and life ahead of us.
Aristotle sees rhetoric as a form of persuauion. He sees that the power of speech can easily change someone's mind. In his rhetoric, he states, "Of the modes of persuasion furnished by the spoken word there are three kinds. The first kind depends on the personal character of the speaker; the second on putting the audience into a certain frame of mind; the third on the proof." He argues taht persuasion is achieved by the speaker's personal character and his ability to convince others to believe in him. An example of this would be a debate or something among those lines.
- Uroosa Naveen Haider
Plato and Aristotle disagree about rhetoric in the way they applied it. In Aristotle’s “Rhetoric” he speaks of using rhetoric in a political, forensic, and ceremonial way. However, in Plato’s “The Allegory of the Cave” rhetoric was used as a way to share your knowledge with others.
Aristotle used rhetoric as a means of persuasion. In “Rhetoric” he speaks of using rhetoric in the courtroom, with judges and lawyers, and in politics. He also talks about using rhetoric in three different ways. The part I understood the most was when he spoke about politics. He explained how to use persuasive speech to get people on your side. He says, “In a political debate the man who is forming a judgment is making a decision about his own vital interests. There is no need, therefore, to prove anything except that the facts are what the supporter of a measure maintains they are.” Today you would definitely see this kind of rhetoric in court or in the presidential elections.
In contrast, in “The Allegory of the Cave” rhetoric is used to spread wisdom or knowledge. Socrates states, “And when he remembered his old habitation, and the wisdom of the cave and his fellow prisoners, do you not suppose that he would felicitate himself on change, and pity them?” In that statement Plato uses rhetoric to tell us that sharing knowledge with others is vital. A way you can see that today is in a school or church environment. For example, teachers, ministers, older generations and the wise have the responsibility to pass on what they have learned to others.
-L. Gonzalez
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