Wednesday, October 8, 2008
Politics, the Media, and the Candlestick-Maker
Given the recent presidential debate, locate on the Internet some news soundbytes regarding one of the candidates for President (Obama or McCain). Also, find some related discussions of that news soundbyte and examine for rhetorical slant or specific bias. Make sure TO CITE your sources for EVERYTHING YOU POST!!
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Obama talks about issues while McCain says “my friends.” McCain is using the phrase “my friends” to make the voters feel as if he can relate to them. He has been avoiding the issues for the most part by simply saying “my friends” and talking directly to the people. Obama has been really focusing on the issues. Before the debate, 60 percent thought Obama understands voters' needs and problems; that rose to 80 percent after the debate. For McCain, 35 percent felt he understands voters' needs before the debate, and 46 percent thought so afterwards. If McCain was really focusing on the issues and trying to understand the people then more than 46 percent of the people would believe he did.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/26/first-obama-mccain-presid_n_129569.html
(*!S.Thomas!*)
Obama, "Let me say at the outset that I vehemently disagree and strongly condemn the statements that have been the subject of this controversy. I categorically denounce any statement that disparages our great country or serves to divide us from our allies. I also believe that words that degrade individuals have no place in our public dialogue, whether it's on the campaign stump or in the pulpit. In sum, I reject outright the statements by Rev. Wright that are at issue."
this statement is directed towards religious americans. mostly christians.
sight: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barack-obama/on-my-faith-and-my-church_b_91623.html
smorris
In recent readings on the reaction of the 2008 debates i discovered bias and rhetorical slant. It was said that McCain talked about the same things. That he restated what the public new. One blogger quoted, "Obama talked about the future, his plans for Diplomatic solutions, a timeline to the end of war, economic plans for the future, tax reductions for 95% of Americans..." He later said about Mccain, "He talked about staying in Iraq until the war is won, not backing down to Russia or Iran or any other enemies of our country". He saw McCain as a continuation of the Bush administration, and that Obama was change.This is an example of how the public can use rhetoric in a bias way.
References: http://immigrationmexicanamerican.blogspot.com
-A.Burchel!-
In the recent presidential debates, there have been many soundbytes surrounding the candidates. One of the most recent was the message from the McCain campaign for the last 30 days of the campaign. McCain’s message stated, “We may not be good for your bank account, your mortgage, your health care, or your job security -- but none of that will matter if you are dead. Vote for John McCain: If You Want to Live.”
This message from the McCain campaign was made because of an imploding economy and no solutions other than another round of tax cuts. Another soundbyte came from the title of McCain’s latest TV ad entitled: “Dangerous.” This ad was made to brand Obama as "dishonorable," "dangerous," and "too risky for America." McCain is using these tactics to try an persuade voters to support him instead of Obama. McCain believes that Obama is leading us, as Americans, into permanent turmoil and that we will be better off if he, McCain, is president.
-V. Gobble
Internet source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/mccains-desperate-claim-o_b_132350.html
On February 05, 2008 Senator Barack Obama at Super Tuesday made a very meaningful quote. "Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time. We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek." This means that he wants to be the president to make a change for United States. Also he means that the United States can't sit around and just wait for something to happen ,we have to take the intitive to make a change.
Scources:
http://www.barackobama.com/2008/02/05/remarks_of_senator_barack_obam_46.php
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/b/barack_obama.html
T.Hearst ™
http://www.obama-mccain.info/compare-obama-mccain-abortion.php
In this comparison, Obama tries to use his past mistakes to relate to the voters. He uses a propaganda technique to show that he is just like everyone else. Obama may become the president of the united States, but he wants everyone to think he should be treated equally to look positive and get more votes.
~~~~ Erin G~~~~
In our recnt readings on the 2008 presidential debate They have showed bias and rhetoric slant. It also showed that the two men talked about the same thing. One of the blogs that I read qouted "Obama that his plans for Diplomatic solutions, a timeline to the end of war, economic plans for the future, tax reductions for 95% of Americans, oversight for the Bailout to ensure the taxpayers are paid back and the WS execs do not receive million dollar bonuses. He is also concerned about the need for education for our children and healthcare. He later said McCain, "Talked about staying in Iraq until the war is won, not backing down to Russia or Iran or any other enemies of our country. He talked about setting up a separate group vs the UN to sanction countries that are our enemies". He also saw that McCain was like Bush and Obamba was change. That is a example of how people use rhetoric slant in a bias way.
♥ASIA♥
In our recnt readings on the 2008 presidential debate They have showed bias and rhetoric slant. It also showed that the two men talked about the same thing. One of the blogs that I read qouted "Obama that his plans for Diplomatic solutions, a timeline to the end of war, economic plans for the future, tax reductions for 95% of Americans, oversight for the Bailout to ensure the taxpayers are paid back and the WS execs do not receive million dollar bonuses. He is also concerned about the need for education for our children and healthcare. He later said McCain, "Talked about staying in Iraq until the war is won, not backing down to Russia or Iran or any other enemies of our country. He talked about setting up a separate group vs the UN to sanction countries that are our enemies". He also saw that McCain was like Bush and Obama was change. That is a example of how people use rhetoric slant in a bias way.
http://immigrationmexicanamerican.blogspot.com/2008/09/1st-presidential-debate-live-blog-obama.html
♥ASIA♥
THIS IS THE CORRECT ONE.
Barack Obama tries to make people feel as if they are his equal. He uses eloquence and experience to make people believe that they are on the same level. Obama said quote, “Together, we cannot fail. And I need you to make it happen. If you want the next four years looking like the last eight, then I am not your candidate. But if you want real change - if you want an economy that rewards work, and that works for Main Street and Wall Street; if you want tax relief for the middle class and millions of new jobs; if you want health care you can afford and education that helps your kids compete; then I ask you to knock on some doors, make some calls, talk to your neighbors, and give me your vote on November 4th. And if you do, I promise you - we will win Pennsylvania, we will win this election, and then you and I - together - will change this country and change this world.” This comment makes people feel as if they are they are vital parts of a team and he cannot win without them. People want to feel as if not only their votes are important, but they are important. Barack Obama makes it seem as if he is the only man for the job.
Chanteia Sutherland
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/10/obamas_remarks_in_abington_pa.html
John McCain has been favored by the Fox News Network during the other night's presidential debate. Fox stated that John McCain won the debate 86% to 12%; which is quite untrue. Fox's slant toward McCain came out on Tuesday night when after the debate, they stated that McCain destroyed Obama in the debate, which once again was untrue.
Some critics say that Fox used this not as much as a bias, but as an initiative or persuasion for people to vote for McCain because he won the debate. They were "fueling the flame", if you will. Giving McCain that little boost might make November 4th a little more interesting.
Before Tuesday night, Obama was ahead in the polls 49% to John McCain's 41%, with 7 states still undecided or uncommited.
Obviously there was bias there, but I believe that they were trying to even the playing field that Barack Obama has such a drastic lead over.
Sources:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqcyz3UDvGw
http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/national-polls.html
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/latestpolls/index.html
From recent presidential debates, McCain and Obama debate on the war and how we are still in the war in the sound byte i watched, some of the rhetorical slant that obama makes is he always like agrees with McCain but then he finds another way of what would could make it better, Like he tries to make the people believe that he would make a good president by agreeing with what they say but just finding some way to mkae things better then it is.
sources-crooksandliars.com
d.fivecoat.
In the presidential debate Obama stated,"I've put forward a series of proposals that make sure that we protect taxpayers as we engage in this important rescue effort. Number one, we've got to make sure that we've got oversight over this whole process; $700 billion, potentially, is a lot of money. Number two, we've got to make sure that taxpayers, when they are putting their money at risk, have the possibility of getting that money back and gains, if the market, and when the market returns."
He gave valid points on keeping the economy stable after the bailout. He also stated that we would be protected as tax payers. Both him and McCain gave valid points on the subject. They also used different forms of rhetoric such as pathos for the logical aspect of their speeches and ethos like "i understand your pain" to reach out to the people on a personal level.
Source: http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/09/27/quotes_from_fridays_presidential_debate/
-J. Baranowski
Well given our recent presidential debates there have been many things that our candidates Obama and McCain have talked about. However, the most important issue today is the economy. We can see that our oil and food prices have been increasing. Both Barack Obama and John McCain have chosen what they think is the right solution to this economic crisis. When Obama talks about an issue he speaks with a positive tone. It seems to me that when Obama wants to change something he makes it happen. He tries his best to make the change happen. On 10/7 debate Obama states that “I am confident about the American economy. But we are going to have to have some leadership from Washington that not only sets out much better regulations for the financial system.” He says that the change can happen and he also identifies the problem. He persuades the people that we can reach our goal. He also tells people that his goal WILL happen. McCain uses a different form of speech. He states in many of his speeches the word “I think that…...” and also "if" Here is one example. McCain said in the 10/7 debate “I think it depends on what we do. I think if we act effectively, if we stabilize the housing market -- which I believe we can, if we go out and buy up these bad loans, so that people can have a new mortgage at the new value of their home -- I think if we get rid of the cronyism and special interest influence in Washington so we can act more effectively”. This gives us a hint the he wants to do many things but that he isn’t acting or trying to do anything about it. He just says "if we can". Does this mean it will happen or is it something that he says to got votes? These are just a few examples on how these senators used rhetoric and how the way the make a speech can affect the presidential outcome.
Sources: http://www.debates.org/pages/trans2008c.html
http://www.youdecide2008.com/2008/10/08/video-presidential-town-hall-debate-from-belmont-university-october-7-2008-obama-mccain-second-debate/
-Cindy Flores :)
People often say that CNN and other mainstream media are too bias in favor candidate Obama, but Fox News is bias in the complete other direction. Fox News anchors Greenwald, Hannity and Russert spent months attacking Senator Obama and his association with Reverend Wright. Wright did say some outrageous anti-American statements, however, the people at Fox failed to attack McCain on his association with Pastor John Hagee. Hagee claims that hurricane Katrina was "God's punishment" for homosexuality, Jews are to blame for anti-Semitism, and Catholicism is a cult. In my opinion Hagee’s accusations were far more offensive then Reverand Wright’s, but the ultra conservative “journalists” at Fox did not see it the same way. Their right wing slant and support of John McCain prevented them from reveling this truth to its viewers, skewing the public opinion of their audience.
Attacks on Obama go so bad that one of the anchors of Fox and Friends walked off the set. Brian Kilmeade walked off set after fellow anchor Grechen Carlson attacked Obama’s words and took them out of context. This obvious conservative bias on Fox has prevented the public from hearing truth and also skewed their opinions of candidate Obama based on fallacies and misquotes from its anchors.
http://cuzimjustabill.blogspot.com/2008/03/media-attacks-obama.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/21/mayhem-at-fox-news-anchor_n_92743.html
Regarding the first presidental debate Robert G. Kaiser states, “Obama I think was closer to the top of his game. He dispelled the idea that he couldn't keep up with McCain on foreign policy issues. Earlier this year some Republicans said they thought McCain would clobber the Democrat in this debate; it didn't happen.” During the debate Obama states, “Obviously our foreign policy over the last eight years has not worked.” I believe that Roger Kaiser's statement had no bias. Obama went furhter in dept about foreign policy but this one simple quote shows that he does know what he is talking about. I believe that people often underestimate Barack Obama and the public, they think that we are oblivious to the fact that our foreign policy is screwed up. I great agree with Kaiser's feedback on the debates.
Sources:
-http:// labs.google.com/inquotes/
-http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2008/09/25/DI2008092503022.html
_Sharlese Hall
After Tuesday night’s Presidential Debate in Nashville, CNN deeply favored Sen. Barack Obama. CNN, with the highest poll in favor of Barack Obama in the United States at 53% to 45%, they put him at the top of the list to win the Election of 2008. The Fox News network, with their bias for Sen. McCain, had put McCain for winning the debate at 88% to 12%; however, CNN put Barack Obama winning the debate.
The bias in the news media is used to persuade people to a certain side, or demographic that the news represents. If the news preferably likes Barack Obama, then everything that is occurring in the election is going to be toward the favor of him. Persuasion is used in the media just like in books. The media tries to split you away from a certain understanding of the election and put you in a more preferred place by that news network.
Senator Obama and Senator McCain met at basically a stalemate on Tuesday night in Nashville. However, the news media made it out to be a blow-out on both sides; CNN for Barack Obama and Fox News for John McCain.
Sources:
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/debates.php
http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/national-polls.html
-Sam Everhart-
At the recent presidential debate, Brokaw wanted to know if Russian was an evil empire under Vladimir Putin and asked the senators.
Obama replied, "I think they've engaged in an evil behavior and I think that it is important that we understand they're not the old Soviet Union but they still have nationalist impulses that I think are very dangerous."
When the same questioned was asked to McCain he said, "Maybe. Depends on how we respond to Russia and it depends on a lot of things. If I say yes, then that means that we're reigniting the old Cold War. If I say no, it ignores their behavior."
When John McCain stated his point of view of Russia, he tried to stay safe with his answer. He knew that either way, an answer of yes or no would be critically looked upon. With Obama, he was straigtforward, and knew clearly what Russia was doing is wrong.
http://www.debates.org/pages/trans2008c.html
T.Xiong ^_~
In recent readings and viewings of the 2008 presidential debate, i have learned that the canditates are very bias to what they want for America, and what they hope for it to become. After watching a "sound bite" on "health care," Barack Obama wants for everyone to have coverage of health, by the end of his first term in office, proceeding John McCain to say, taxes would be raised. The outcome of this was McCain saying, "You simply choose the insurance provider that suits you best." So if bigger companies received the same tax credit and small business' were self employed, this could be accomplished. In these debates, it not only shows what our future portrays, but it also shows what outcomes are possible for Americans.
http://www.kaisernetwork.org/health_cast/playerhealth08.cfm?id=4270#clip_1
ashley lauren bayse <3
In the second presidential debate, Barack Obama described his childhood in a way that could relate to many Americans. He said, "I came from very modest means. I had a single mom, and my grandparents raised me, and it was because of the help of scholarships and my grandmother scrimpin' on things she might have wanted to purchase, and my mom at one point getting food stamps in order for us to put food on the table..." By using rhetoric in this way, he appealed to the middle and lower class individuals that grew up the same way he did.
In response to his statement, one blogger said, "Barack is right that we have seen the American dream diminish over the last eight years. And McCain did nothing to prove that he wouldn't keep leading us down the drain."
This is also an example of persuasion used by the writer. He or she was biased towards Obama. Therefore, the comment made in response to Obama's statement was also biased.
In the second presidential debate, Barack Obama described his childhood in a way that could relate to many Americans. He said, "I came from very modest means. I had a single mom, and my grandparents raised me, and it was because of the help of scholarships and my grandmother scrimpin' on things she might have wanted to purchase, and my mom at one point getting food stamps in order for us to put food on the table..." By using rhetoric in this way, he appealed to the middle and lower class individuals that grew up the same way he did.
In response to his statement, one blogger said, "Barack is right that we have seen the American dream diminish over the last eight years. And McCain did nothing to prove that he wouldn't keep leading us down the drain."
This is also an example of persuasion used by the writer. He or she was biased towards Obama. Therefore, the comment made in response to Obama's statement was also biased.
-e. styers
[sorry, i forgot my name!]
In the recent debates between Obama and McCain, they both use different techniques and forms of rhethoric.
In one of their debates, Both candidates talk about war and the way they approach the question is really interesting.
Obama states that we should sit down with those countries that we have an undeclared war with and
try to work out our differences, while McCain states that if he or when he becomes president, he most
likely will have to go into war with Pakistan. Obama doesn’t neccesarily counterattack McCain but he does say that war is not the answer. While McCain on the other hand pretty much always counter attacks Obama's statements, I think that this makes him look bad in the public eye because he depicts himself as a negative person.
Another good technique Obama uses is how he mostly always say “ I
agree with Senator McCain but……, " this makes it seem as if he is willing to compromise but improvise as well.
“I know how the do that, my friends. And it's my proposal, it's not Senator Obama's
proposal, it's not President Bush's proposal. But I know how to get America working again,
restore our economy and take care of working Americans. Thank you."
When McCain made this statement, once again it seems as if he’s criticizing Obama. He makes it seem as if Obama doesn’t know what he’s doing and Obama isn’t as experienced as him.
“Prosperity is not just going to trickle down. We've got to help the middle class.” Obama
tries to relate with the average middle class folks and I think that’s an advantage for him
because he can relate to the people.
Resources: http://www.debates.org/pages/trans2008c.html
-Uroosa Naveen Haider
Both of the presidential candidates use rhetorical slants in their interviews and debates. One thing that Obama used was saying "I agree with him, but...," saying they have the same viewpoints, but disagree in some areas. He uses this to sway some republican voters and voters who are still undecided.
Malcom Ivery
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_AiWO2_cL8
On this little clip of a debate between Barrack Obama and John McCain you can see the difference of the use of rhetoric. To me Obama seems very relate able, he gives specific examples of his struggles in life and how he was like the average American and he made it to success. He seems to really understand the people in American today. In contrast McCain in my opinion seems like he is trying to do the same thing but he doesn’t do it well. He just seems like he is old and out of touch with the people and he has never been in their shoes.
One person commented on what McCain had to say last saying, "McCain kept stealing Obama's words and rearranging them in his own way during the whole debate trying to steal off Obama's charm... Uh-huh, sorry, doesn't work. LOL." I believe there is alot of truth to that statement. He just seemed like he was repeating things the were already said.
L. Gonzalez
(Late)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xVe3On841k&feature=related
comment on McCain found there.
lGonzalez
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